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		<title>By: neville</title>
		<link>http://www.nevillehobson.com/2006/05/09/no-compassion-for-plagiarists/#comment-2161</link>
		<dc:creator>neville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 07:51:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Armin. My German is a bit limited for such a lengthy text. I have got some of the gist from reading it, but if you can help me throw all the light on it, that would be just great. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Armin. My German is a bit limited for such a lengthy text. I have got some of the gist from reading it, but if you can help me throw all the light on it, that would be just great. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Armin</title>
		<link>http://www.nevillehobson.com/2006/05/09/no-compassion-for-plagiarists/#comment-2087</link>
		<dc:creator>Armin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2006 11:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure if your German is good enough to read it all, but &lt;a href="http://www.heise.de/tp/r4/artikel/22/22673/1.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Von der Internetplage des geistigen Diebstahls&lt;/a&gt; at Telepolis picks up on the topic and links to this entry.

If you need any translation help let me know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure if your German is good enough to read it all, but <a href="http://www.heise.de/tp/r4/artikel/22/22673/1.html" rel="nofollow">Von der Internetplage des geistigen Diebstahls</a> at Telepolis picks up on the topic and links to this entry.</p>
<p>If you need any translation help let me know.</p>
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		<title>By: Blog Run &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Multitasking, Portfolio-ing, and Plagiarizing</title>
		<link>http://www.nevillehobson.com/2006/05/09/no-compassion-for-plagiarists/#comment-1668</link>
		<dc:creator>Blog Run &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Multitasking, Portfolio-ing, and Plagiarizing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 May 2006 05:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] NevilleHobson.com: No compassion for plagiarists With the ease of cutting and pasting that the Internet has brought, plagiarism seems to be a daily occurance, and blogs make it even easier to grab (okay, steal) content because blogs are partially based on others original content. Heck, look at the Blog Run - built off other&#8217;s posts, but to help other&#8217;s learn and see good ideas ou there. But, where is the plagiarism going to stop, and what is it doing to PR? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] NevilleHobson.com: No compassion for plagiarists With the ease of cutting and pasting that the Internet has brought, plagiarism seems to be a daily occurance, and blogs make it even easier to grab (okay, steal) content because blogs are partially based on others original content. Heck, look at the Blog Run - built off other&#8217;s posts, but to help other&#8217;s learn and see good ideas ou there. But, where is the plagiarism going to stop, and what is it doing to PR? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Eggertson</title>
		<link>http://www.nevillehobson.com/2006/05/09/no-compassion-for-plagiarists/#comment-1664</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Eggertson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 May 2006 23:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As much as this can be a legal issue, I think plagiarism will increasingly be a reputation issue.  People who find themselves acccused of plagiarism will need to respond quickly and openly about what has happened, and how they came to publish the content in question.  If they have obviously screwed up, a quick apology and correction of the attribution will go a long way to protecting their reputation and career.

In some instances, though, plagiarism is a career stopper, or at least a major setback in a field like journalism or academia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As much as this can be a legal issue, I think plagiarism will increasingly be a reputation issue.  People who find themselves acccused of plagiarism will need to respond quickly and openly about what has happened, and how they came to publish the content in question.  If they have obviously screwed up, a quick apology and correction of the attribution will go a long way to protecting their reputation and career.</p>
<p>In some instances, though, plagiarism is a career stopper, or at least a major setback in a field like journalism or academia.</p>
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		<title>By: neville</title>
		<link>http://www.nevillehobson.com/2006/05/09/no-compassion-for-plagiarists/#comment-1662</link>
		<dc:creator>neville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 May 2006 21:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We need to get a lawyer in here to address those points, Eric ;)

Seriously, good points. You've highlighted how this is not so black and white. but if it does come down to intent, how would that really fare in legal eyes, I wonder? A bit like "ignorance of the law is no excuse" perhaps.

I think this fits with geographical-based copyright laws, ie, they appear to be outdated in light of how the global internet (in particular) makes it a simple matter to just copy and paste. The point in your last para, really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We need to get a lawyer in here to address those points, Eric <img src='http://www.nevillehobson.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Seriously, good points. You&#8217;ve highlighted how this is not so black and white. but if it does come down to intent, how would that really fare in legal eyes, I wonder? A bit like &#8220;ignorance of the law is no excuse&#8221; perhaps.</p>
<p>I think this fits with geographical-based copyright laws, ie, they appear to be outdated in light of how the global internet (in particular) makes it a simple matter to just copy and paste. The point in your last para, really.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Eggertson</title>
		<link>http://www.nevillehobson.com/2006/05/09/no-compassion-for-plagiarists/#comment-1660</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Eggertson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 May 2006 21:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neville:

I think there's a huge difference between someone who intentionally steals something, and someone who does it inadvertantly, to some extent.

If I fail to acknowledge the source of an idea through oversight or confusion, I may be technically guilty of plagiarism.  But was that my intent?

In your post about The New PR conference, you didn't explicitly credit the graphic image's designer. In fact, you probably had implicit or explicit permission to use the image for promoting the conference.  In the context of your post, I certainly didn't feel you were somehow claiming credit for the design.  

Does your omission of a design credit make you a thief?  If I include a quotation mark on the end of a quote but inadvertantly cut off the quotation mark at the beginning of a quote does that mean I've plagiarized the quote?

Anyone who thinks this stuff is black and white is ignoring the reality of how people write and share information these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neville:</p>
<p>I think there&#8217;s a huge difference between someone who intentionally steals something, and someone who does it inadvertantly, to some extent.</p>
<p>If I fail to acknowledge the source of an idea through oversight or confusion, I may be technically guilty of plagiarism.  But was that my intent?</p>
<p>In your post about The New PR conference, you didn&#8217;t explicitly credit the graphic image&#8217;s designer. In fact, you probably had implicit or explicit permission to use the image for promoting the conference.  In the context of your post, I certainly didn&#8217;t feel you were somehow claiming credit for the design.  </p>
<p>Does your omission of a design credit make you a thief?  If I include a quotation mark on the end of a quote but inadvertantly cut off the quotation mark at the beginning of a quote does that mean I&#8217;ve plagiarized the quote?</p>
<p>Anyone who thinks this stuff is black and white is ignoring the reality of how people write and share information these days.</p>
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		<title>By: neville</title>
		<link>http://www.nevillehobson.com/2006/05/09/no-compassion-for-plagiarists/#comment-1655</link>
		<dc:creator>neville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 May 2006 18:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Plagiarized? Well, waddya know! So this line from Edelman's article -

&lt;blockquote&gt;...you can’t be sure that anything you read is original. Even this.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

- makes total sense, then.

I just read the stories at those links, Bryan, especially the Poynter piece with the comment from NY Magazine spokeswoman Betsy Burton.

Does the fact that the article is a plagiarization (is that a real word?) detract from anything in the article itself, though? I don't think so.

And Eric, re your final point that not every plagiarist blatantly copies others’ work with every intent of passing it off as their own, the fact that they commit plagiarism doesn't excuse that, wouldn't you say?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Plagiarized? Well, waddya know! So this line from Edelman&#8217;s article -</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230;you can’t be sure that anything you read is original. Even this.</p></blockquote>
<p>- makes total sense, then.</p>
<p>I just read the stories at those links, Bryan, especially the Poynter piece with the comment from NY Magazine spokeswoman Betsy Burton.</p>
<p>Does the fact that the article is a plagiarization (is that a real word?) detract from anything in the article itself, though? I don&#8217;t think so.</p>
<p>And Eric, re your final point that not every plagiarist blatantly copies others’ work with every intent of passing it off as their own, the fact that they commit plagiarism doesn&#8217;t excuse that, wouldn&#8217;t you say?</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan Person</title>
		<link>http://www.nevillehobson.com/2006/05/09/no-compassion-for-plagiarists/#comment-1654</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan Person</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 May 2006 17:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And would you have guessed that David Edelstein's article on plagiarism is in fact "99 percent plagiarized" itself?  It appears to have been a prank.

Here's a note from the Media Orchard blog:
http://www.ideagrove.com/blog/2006/05/new-york-magazine-has-fun-with_09.html

And another from Poynteronline:
http://poynter.org/forum/view_post.asp?id=11408</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And would you have guessed that David Edelstein&#8217;s article on plagiarism is in fact &#8220;99 percent plagiarized&#8221; itself?  It appears to have been a prank.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a note from the Media Orchard blog:<br />
<a href="http://www.ideagrove.com/blog/2006/05/new-york-magazine-has-fun-with_09.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ideagrove.com/blog/2006/05/new-york-magazine-has-fun-with_09.html</a></p>
<p>And another from Poynteronline:<br />
<a href="http://poynter.org/forum/view_post.asp?id=11408" rel="nofollow">http://poynter.org/forum/view_post.asp?id=11408</a></p>
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		<title>By: Eric Eggertson</title>
		<link>http://www.nevillehobson.com/2006/05/09/no-compassion-for-plagiarists/#comment-1653</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Eggertson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 May 2006 16:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neville:

I think David Edelstein is being a bit simplistic when he suggests the only way people plagiarize is by intentionally copying others' writing.

This assumes that all writers are very organized, and keep their electronic clippings separate from their own notes.  It also assumes that people who have extremely good memories for retrieving blocks of text have equally good organizational skills.

I suppose if no one had ADD, or was disorganized, or was sloppy when on deadline, I could agree with his zero tolerance stance.  For my part, I continue to believe in the fallibility of the human mind.

Yes, some plagiarists blatantly copy others' work with every intent of passing it off as their own.  I just don't believe that's true in every case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neville:</p>
<p>I think David Edelstein is being a bit simplistic when he suggests the only way people plagiarize is by intentionally copying others&#8217; writing.</p>
<p>This assumes that all writers are very organized, and keep their electronic clippings separate from their own notes.  It also assumes that people who have extremely good memories for retrieving blocks of text have equally good organizational skills.</p>
<p>I suppose if no one had ADD, or was disorganized, or was sloppy when on deadline, I could agree with his zero tolerance stance.  For my part, I continue to believe in the fallibility of the human mind.</p>
<p>Yes, some plagiarists blatantly copy others&#8217; work with every intent of passing it off as their own.  I just don&#8217;t believe that&#8217;s true in every case.</p>
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