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		<title>By: TheDailyBlog.org &#187; Blog Archive &#187; PR and Journalism</title>
		<link>http://www.nevillehobson.com/2006/04/23/the-real-symbiosis-between-pr-and-journalism/#comment-51308</link>
		<dc:creator>TheDailyBlog.org &#187; Blog Archive &#187; PR and Journalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 20:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The real symbiosis between PR and journalism [...]</description>
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		<title>By: No political labels at NevilleHobson.com</title>
		<link>http://www.nevillehobson.com/2006/04/23/the-real-symbiosis-between-pr-and-journalism/#comment-4217</link>
		<dc:creator>No political labels at NevilleHobson.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2006 11:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A question about politics from a reader in the UK has given me pause for thought. He emailed me to suggest that political bias influences some of what I write in this blog, pointing out the style of my commentary the other day criticizing the Number Ten podcast&#160;and my commentaries in the conversation about PR/journalism symbiosis a couple of months ago as examples. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] A question about politics from a reader in the UK has given me pause for thought. He emailed me to suggest that political bias influences some of what I write in this blog, pointing out the style of my commentary the other day criticizing the Number Ten podcast&nbsp;and my commentaries in the conversation about PR/journalism symbiosis a couple of months ago as examples. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: David Miliband &#124; Secretary of State for Environment, Food &#38; Rural Affairs</title>
		<link>http://www.nevillehobson.com/2006/04/23/the-real-symbiosis-between-pr-and-journalism/#comment-3960</link>
		<dc:creator>David Miliband &#124; Secretary of State for Environment, Food &#38; Rural Affairs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jun 2006 20:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;In my own words...&lt;/strong&gt;

I thought this piece about journalism and PR on Neville Hobson's blog (which in turn refers back to a......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>In my own words&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>I thought this piece about journalism and PR on Neville Hobson&#8217;s blog (which in turn refers back to a&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Changing the nature of communication in politics at NevilleHobson.com</title>
		<link>http://www.nevillehobson.com/2006/04/23/the-real-symbiosis-between-pr-and-journalism/#comment-1673</link>
		<dc:creator>Changing the nature of communication in politics at NevilleHobson.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 May 2006 08:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The real symbiosis between PR and journalism (in this blog) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: itjournalist.com - Danny&#8217;s Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Accountability as an alternative to rollback</title>
		<link>http://www.nevillehobson.com/2006/04/23/the-real-symbiosis-between-pr-and-journalism/#comment-1553</link>
		<dc:creator>itjournalist.com - Danny&#8217;s Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Accountability as an alternative to rollback</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2006 09:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] PR bloke-turned-communications guru Neville Hobson weighs in. Why not cut out that whole middle layer, he says, and let public figures/corporate types speak for themselves?  Most PRs and journalists add little value to truth-telling if they’re nothing more than channels or conduits who distort and manipulate the original message. Assuming, of course, that their roles are to do with truth-telling. If you want to get close to the truth, cut out the middlemen. Let the citizens make up their own minds as to what is truth. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] PR bloke-turned-communications guru Neville Hobson weighs in. Why not cut out that whole middle layer, he says, and let public figures/corporate types speak for themselves?  Most PRs and journalists add little value to truth-telling if they’re nothing more than channels or conduits who distort and manipulate the original message. Assuming, of course, that their roles are to do with truth-telling. If you want to get close to the truth, cut out the middlemen. Let the citizens make up their own minds as to what is truth. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The continuing case for cutting out the middlemen at NevilleHobson.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>The continuing case for cutting out the middlemen at NevilleHobson.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 May 2006 06:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Last week, I posted commentary about an article by John Lloyd in the Financial Times on the relationship - I used the word symbiosis: check the definition - between journalism and PR in politics. The concluding point in my post was this: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Last week, I posted commentary about an article by John Lloyd in the Financial Times on the relationship - I used the word symbiosis: check the definition - between journalism and PR in politics. The concluding point in my post was this: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Teblog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Apr 2006 08:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Comment moderation: open or closed?...&lt;/strong&gt;

In an earlier post, I said this:Milliband's blogging doesn't prove a thing, except that he's willing to expose himself slightly. If my memory serves me correctly, he's filtering comments so he's still in control of both what he chooses to...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Comment moderation: open or closed?&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>In an earlier post, I said this:Milliband&#8217;s blogging doesn&#8217;t prove a thing, except that he&#8217;s willing to expose himself slightly. If my memory serves me correctly, he&#8217;s filtering comments so he&#8217;s still in control of both what he chooses to&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: neville</title>
		<link>http://www.nevillehobson.com/2006/04/23/the-real-symbiosis-between-pr-and-journalism/#comment-1288</link>
		<dc:creator>neville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>'Citizen' is fine with me, Philip! Perhaps more &lt;a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/guide/articles/c/citizensmith_7771435.shtml" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow"&gt;Citizen Smith&lt;/a&gt; than &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winston_Smith" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow"&gt;Winston Smith&lt;/a&gt; - a better Utopia, I think.

I don't know if you've read the Economist's new media survey which appeared this week. I'm going to quote some views from that which I think illustrate those deep waters you speak of.

The pessimistic view, by Paul Saffo, a futurologist:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Each of us can create our own personal-media walled garden that surrounds us with comforting information and utterly shuts out anything that conflicts with our world view. This is social dynamite and could lead to the erosion of the intellectual commons holding society together. We risk huddling into tribes defined by shared prejudices.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It's a very good point. Perhaps one of journalism's value roles is to point out such things.

Then the optimistic view by Lee Rainie, director of the Pew Internet &#38; American Life project:

&lt;blockquote&gt;People will become not less but more aware of differing arguments as they become heavier internet users.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That view makes total sense to me. Further optimisim from Chris Anderson, author of The Long Tail:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Opinion is a marketplace and marketplaces work when you have liquidity.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The Economist writer adds to that: Liquidity is exactly what participatory media provide.

And to your point about the Danish academic: the fact is that technology is becoming simpler and the barriers to entry are becoming lower.

People &lt;em&gt;will&lt;/em&gt; figure this out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Citizen&#8217; is fine with me, Philip! Perhaps more <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/guide/articles/c/citizensmith_7771435.shtml" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">Citizen Smith</a> than <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winston_Smith" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">Winston Smith</a> - a better Utopia, I think.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if you&#8217;ve read the Economist&#8217;s new media survey which appeared this week. I&#8217;m going to quote some views from that which I think illustrate those deep waters you speak of.</p>
<p>The pessimistic view, by Paul Saffo, a futurologist:</p>
<blockquote><p>Each of us can create our own personal-media walled garden that surrounds us with comforting information and utterly shuts out anything that conflicts with our world view. This is social dynamite and could lead to the erosion of the intellectual commons holding society together. We risk huddling into tribes defined by shared prejudices.</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s a very good point. Perhaps one of journalism&#8217;s value roles is to point out such things.</p>
<p>Then the optimistic view by Lee Rainie, director of the Pew Internet &amp; American Life project:</p>
<blockquote><p>People will become not less but more aware of differing arguments as they become heavier internet users.</p></blockquote>
<p>That view makes total sense to me. Further optimisim from Chris Anderson, author of The Long Tail:</p>
<blockquote><p>Opinion is a marketplace and marketplaces work when you have liquidity.</p></blockquote>
<p>The Economist writer adds to that: Liquidity is exactly what participatory media provide.</p>
<p>And to your point about the Danish academic: the fact is that technology is becoming simpler and the barriers to entry are becoming lower.</p>
<p>People <em>will</em> figure this out.</p>
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		<title>By: Philip Young</title>
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		<dc:creator>Philip Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was fraternal and benign, Citizen Hobson, a very gentle dig at the Utopian interpretation one could put on your earlier posts.

I suggested deep waters because there is an inherent tension between the democratic ideal of encouraging all voices to be heard and allowing a consensus to emerge and the possibility that a consensus so achieved will be plain wrong. The rather tedious debates around A-listers etc are very easily fitted into a critique based in concepts of hegemony and elites.

I had been thinking about this after hearing a paper at Stuttgart by a Danish academic who filmed newcomers struggling to come to terms with blogs and arguing that they could not be 'democratic' until the technology was simpler. At the time I strongly disagreed, suggesting that one of the great virtues of easy to use templates like Typepad was that they lowered the entry barriers. I have since rather softened my line...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was fraternal and benign, Citizen Hobson, a very gentle dig at the Utopian interpretation one could put on your earlier posts.</p>
<p>I suggested deep waters because there is an inherent tension between the democratic ideal of encouraging all voices to be heard and allowing a consensus to emerge and the possibility that a consensus so achieved will be plain wrong. The rather tedious debates around A-listers etc are very easily fitted into a critique based in concepts of hegemony and elites.</p>
<p>I had been thinking about this after hearing a paper at Stuttgart by a Danish academic who filmed newcomers struggling to come to terms with blogs and arguing that they could not be &#8216;democratic&#8217; until the technology was simpler. At the time I strongly disagreed, suggesting that one of the great virtues of easy to use templates like Typepad was that they lowered the entry barriers. I have since rather softened my line&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: neville</title>
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		<dc:creator>neville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Philip, I was talkng with a PR friend the other day about this post and the ensuing conversation. His view is that all of this "is a curb that's approximately one inch high."

My reply was that those little curbs (kerbs?) are often the most troublesome as you don't  see them and so it's easy to trip up on them.

Still, I don't see any deep waters here.

When I wrote the post, I was specifically thinking of communication in politics, as the focus of John Lloyd's FT piece was politics. Yet all of this applies to every aspect of communication between people.

By the way, I'm assuming your use of the word 'comrade' is meant in its traditional friendly sense, rather than the usurped Soviet sense. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Philip, I was talkng with a PR friend the other day about this post and the ensuing conversation. His view is that all of this &#8220;is a curb that&#8217;s approximately one inch high.&#8221;</p>
<p>My reply was that those little curbs (kerbs?) are often the most troublesome as you don&#8217;t  see them and so it&#8217;s easy to trip up on them.</p>
<p>Still, I don&#8217;t see any deep waters here.</p>
<p>When I wrote the post, I was specifically thinking of communication in politics, as the focus of John Lloyd&#8217;s FT piece was politics. Yet all of this applies to every aspect of communication between people.</p>
<p>By the way, I&#8217;m assuming your use of the word &#8216;comrade&#8217; is meant in its traditional friendly sense, rather than the usurped Soviet sense. <img src='http://www.nevillehobson.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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